How I came to farewell my denomination of 40 years. Or, How do we know that’s God’s voice?

Does God speak things to you? Even without having touched on this topic with each of them, I’d wager I have friends at every point along that spectrum. 

Some who might say, “Dude (people my age are, after all, GenXers), if you think God is specifically speaking to you outside of the Bible, welcome to heresy.”

Others who talk about hearing God about as clearly and specifically as one could possibly imagine and certainly beyond what most experience.

You might reside at one of those ends or somewhere in between. I’m not today writing to convince you of anything. 

As a college student thirty years ago, I discovered that spectrum along with the fact that some people seemed to have “more” of God than I did. So I wanted it––Him––too. [It’d be immaterial for my purposes here to get into what I think was good or bad about all that was going on there; for now the point is just the story.]

One night, in a long session of earnest seeking and prayer, God spoke. He told me something about my future. Something good that was going to happen to me. And the reason I was being told ahead of time was so that I wouldn’t struggle with pride when it happened. 

Sure enough, the next day, it happened. 

Just not to me. It happened for somebody else.

Not purposely and certainly not knowingly, I’d stepped out in true faith and sincerely believed something my God had told me all while imagining the entire thing. 

At least I’d been smart enough (“you mean faithless enough” the Enemy would long taunt) to keep one foot in reality and make a pre-arrangement with God:

“IF…if for some reason this doesn’t come true? And it turns out this wasn’t You? I’ll meet you THERE where I sit on THAT marble ledge to wait for the cafeteria to open. And we are going to deal.” 

I was sitting. And we dealt. 

As best I can remember, it took rather some time for shock to wear off and devastation to sink in. Hours, perhaps days, but the real effects were long-term. My newfound conviction that God’s voice must be out of my reach devastated my ability to engage the topic for the following five years. For fully ten years, it handicapped me significantly. Not until fifteen years after the fact––the difference between age 20 and age 35––could I honestly say that I no longer experienced its effects when talking or praying about hearing His voice. Fifteen more years are now passed, and well, it’s finally an old, almost humorous story overwritten by many others and hardly thought of. 

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Earlier this year I watched a video put out by the president of the denomination I’ve worked in for two decades and otherwise been a part of for four. He announced a celebratory demolition event at the denomination’s new national office property. 

And the Lord said to my spirit: “You’re going to be at that.” 

That’s odd. Really? I wonder why? That’s like… (checking map) 9 hours away.

But I pretty quickly jumped to Ohhh… hey! I’ll bet I could do that on the motorcycle! Might set a new record for myself…yes! I am going to run this by Tammy. 

And I began to plan my trip, operating out of a sort of a learned default that obeying even when not sure of the reasons is almost always preferable to skipping out because of doubts. I’d come a long way in 30 years. That old college-days wound was such a non-factor by now that it failed to cross my mind even in instances like this.

I did think a lot about the possible whys for such a trip, however, and while I really couldn’t say much for sure, what I began to say out loud to my wife and a few friends was, 

“I think… I’m going to say good-bye to my denomination.” 

Now while that wasn’t exactly a super logical statement, it was also not completely disconnected from a few certain things on the horizon that could have been construed as clouds. Six months earlier, I had filed an official complaint/report about a leader. There was a mediation process of sorts under way. There’d been an inquiry. But in no way did any of those present like some demise of the relationship was imminent. Perhaps some end lay beyond a bend in the road I could not see? I had no real ideas, but even if such an end was months off, I could easily appreciate how a loss like that would be best grieved properly.

Three days after the president’s video released, my denominational employment was terminated. Do we actually need reminders that His sovereignty is not limited by bends in the road? As if. 

But I wouldn’t experience the shock of the news for seven further days until the notice arrived via FedEx. No warning, hint, or discussion had preceded it. It contained one sentence of rationale. Nothing further has ever been added to that.

Clearly there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than I’d been privy to.

Suddenly, my good-bye trip had become über-pertinent.

A few asked why on earth I would consider even bothering with the situation any more––surely I was not still driving up there? But I figured that if the best I’d come up with was that this was good-bye, how could getting that irrevocably confirmed do anything but confirm my trip as well? 

I had to go. Fortunately, I did not take my motorcycle. (If you liked that sentence, take a moment to savor it, maybe print it out and stash it away, because you will never see it again.) I wasn’t in a good place, and driving a car was all I was going to be able to handle. The growing realizations about what people up the ladder must be believing about me… things that had never been explained to me… had left me the night before begging God for sleep for the fourth night in a row. 

Thankfully enough sleep came that by morning I felt I was okay to drive. IF the Psalms were playing. Anything else or nothing over the speakers left me rocking and jittery. But praise God, by Psalm 70 I had stabilized, and then had a car to myself for wonderful, wide hours of phone conversations. That night, at a childhood friend’s house, I slept in an unknown bed with an unknown pillow in a strange room of a strange house better than I’d slept in a week. Finally, tackling the final couple driving hours the next morning, I was back on the road to being myself again. 

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At breakfast I was met by friends driving down just to be with me. When we arrived at the event together, I held back with hat, sunglasses, and covid mask, desperate to stay anonymous. While at the same time fighting to stave off wild imaginings about God engineering deliverance from our nightmare by sending some rescuer with more power than those who’d come against us. Foolishness.

I was there to say good-bye and nothing else. I took my moment alone in front of the demolition fence and reflected on my entire professional life. And felt nothing. Disappointing? Perhaps, but hardly surprising seeing as how I was standing in a parking lot I’d never been in looking at a building I’d never entered.

No catharsis, no tears, no word from above, no sense about the future, no anger, no self-pity. Silence.

“Well, it was really nice seeing you, Dann. We’re so glad we came to eat breakfast with you. We’re going to take off, now. You?”

“Actually, you guys go ahead. I’m going to find a spot at the edge of the parking lot for one more listen in case I’m still going to hear why He sent me up here. Thank you guys so much for coming. I will remember it for the rest of my life.”

I walked to the back of the parking lot and headed to a light pole where it looked like maybe I could sit down. 

Even before I’d gotten to it, He started in:

What if it wasn’t Me who told you to drive up here? What if it was just your imagination?

Yeah, and? I replied.

Oh, my. 

Apparently 2021 is irrelevant even in 2021, then?

Thirty years back, now, sitting there in my mind, even as my physical body is sitting here in the present. I already know his next question––and simultaneously my next answer.

How would you be?

I’d be fine. I’d be… totally fine…

BOOM.

See how far you’ve come? You’ve grown to absolutely know My voice. Along with knowing that it doesn’t matter about reaching 100% certainty about every thing every time, as that is not to be expected. It threatens nothing.

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It truly did not matter to me if “You’re going to be at that” had turned out to be me––though I didn’t believe that––instead of Him. Without thinking much about it, I’d just acted anyway, allowing Him to direct from there. Neither my own faith/worthiness or his faithfulness/worthiness were connected to it like they had so very much been in my youthful episode. So what if I’d gotten this one wrong? I’d done the best I could with the spiritual discernment I possess at this time, and I did what I thought was obeying. If it turned out not to be? Okay, fine.  

The King had just reminded me that I have obeyed his voice over and over again in the fifteen years since my great wound concerning it healed over. Not to mention those times in the previous 15 where I’d stumbled through learning to navigate intimacy and abiding while still unresolved. 

And here, now––during the trials of 2021––I have yet to tell most people some of the ways He has at times spoken. Some of the most spectacular ways of my entire life. 

He has seen me. He knows it all. 

And He cares so much for me that he brought me nine hours from home to say something totally off topic that He declared was the topic. To sit me on a piece of hot concrete that would symbolize a piece of cold marble from thirty years earlier and grant one final healing touch to an old wound I hadn’t even realized could still use it. 

He hadn’t abandoned me then or ever. And isn’t it something how even our failures become integral pieces of how He fashions us into the child He is making us? Every part of me…100% redeemable.

I’d have driven nine hundred hours to be given a message like that.

I looked up and saw my car across the emptying parking lot. 

It was time to go home. 

30 thoughts on “How I came to farewell my denomination of 40 years. Or, How do we know that’s God’s voice?”

  1. God is so good to us! It doesn’t matter where He is taking us to go/serve as long as we are praising Him and working for His kingdom. Whatever is happening to others…, let show our love for Christ, pray for them and part ways.
    We should thank God every day because even though we are not seeing His path for us clearly, He still shows His love and patience for/to us. And He always will show us His will!!
    We should be grateful because we are His sons and daughters and part of His kingdom!!
    He will take care of us, always!

    We love you all and pray for you!!
    Sending hugs and blessings,
    Carmen

  2. Yes and amen! He know us, He sees us, and He is ALWAYS speaking to us! The question remains if we have ears to listen and generous eyes toward His movement. How glorious to be free of performance and to be known. His Kingdom is always advancing…and as His children, so too are we. Thrilled for where God is leading you into more. We will never be able to exhaust the more.

    1. “free of performance and to be known”––sounds like heaven as well as a lifelong journey.
      Biggest love to you all. Thank you so much for commenting.

  3. Hi Dann,

    Thank you for sharing. Your post resonates with me. Several months ago God asked me to obey in a specific area. It has been tough to take a stand when many people will not understand and the future is uncertain. The Lord provided a friend to stand with me. In the last month, He took me through some deep waters alone where all I could do is cling to Him. He proved over and over that He is trustworthy and faithful. My story is not over and neither is yours. Take courage, my friend! We serve an awesome God!

    1. What a great word of solidarity, my friend. Your phrasing: “tough to take a stand when many people will not understand” and “deep waters alone” fill me with an inner crying out on your behalf. Courage, indeed!

  4. “Here we are. Just ordinary people, anxiously making our way through life, sinning and suffering, wandering and returning, regretting and despairing, persistently driving away from a heart sense of what we will enjoy forever……in Christ.” Dane Ortlund. Gentle and Lowly.

  5. Dann, this was so encouraging to read. I sometimes struggle with doubt and wonder where God is in all of what is happening with my life, and your post lifted my spirits. Your obedience and your transparency encourage me. Thank you so much for sharing! Paula for the Bottas

    1. Well, thank you so much for saying so, Paula. Now you’ve encouraged me. I’ve often thus struggled. I think possibly the worst thing to do with doubt is keep it all to ourselves and build this kind of Christian environment that seems to indicate that negative emotions and struggles are not normal, or at least best left in the dark. Far better to share deeply in our communities, both for our own burden-lightening (and enlightening) and (as you’ve pointed out) the normalizing of the experiencing of those things.

  6. Thanks for sharing this excerpt from such a bizarre and difficult season, Dann. Hearing how you navigated and continue to navigate obedience is encouraging. We love and miss you and your family, praying for y’all as you enter into what’s next.

  7. What a journey of stumbling about the sometimes unknown and unreasonable powers that be … I’ve experienced several such in my six decades. But we trust in the Power Who Is, who sees us, who knows all, who loves us. Thank you for sharing this… And we are praying for you and your family.

  8. Dann,

    The marble ledge. I think I’ve had similar discussions with God on a similar, if not, the same ledge. And yes, always cold. The contrast of the cold, yet beautiful marble with the warm yet, not so pretty, concrete, stands out to me. No mater where we are, in the timeline of our life, God is with us…”(I)Where shall I go from your Spirit?
    Or where (J)shall I flee from your presence?
    8 (K)If I ascend to heaven, you are there!
    (L)If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!
    9 If I take the wings of the morning
    and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
    10 even there your hand shall (M)lead me,
    and your right hand shall hold me.” (from Psalm 139)

    “He hadn’t abandoned me then or ever. And isn’t it something how even our failures become integral pieces of how He fashions us into the child He is making us? Every part of me…100% redeemable.” This resonates deeply with me and where I am at in my life, right now.

    Thank you for sharing this story.

    1. Funny, you’re the second person to have pointed out how the hot/cold contrast did something for them, so interesting. How great to share “ledge memories” from the same place. Though most of the time spent sitting there was surely just waiting to eat, lol. I’m so glad you left this comment, Jenny. Thank you for the thank you.

  9. Dann, I have a great deal of respect for you and we admire your family.

    I grew up being taught that there is only one true church, and the folks who told me that implied “one denomination”. In my spiritual walk, I have decided to place my faith in God and His Heavenly Kingdom–and not in any one denomination. I have plenty of Scriptural references, but I won’t cite them here. Christ saves individuals, not denominations. What you have shared resonates strongly with me.

    Welcome! Cheers!

  10. Hi Dann,

    On New Year’s Eve, I just (finally) submitted a book proposal form to Langham Global Publishing because one connection led to another and the door was open. The only problem is that I was more inclined to shut it rather than let someone else open it wider or close it. So, I finally got the courage up to submit the imperfect proposal and see what God does next with it.

    Grateful to read what you wrote here after reading your FB post about starting a new chapter tomorrow. Remembering our conversations from earlier in the year. Thankful for friends like you and Tammy that I can pick up with here and there as if no time has passed at all to connect on things that matter.

    1. Oooo, welcome to the world of publishing disappointments. Haha, that’s stated more from what I’ve read than what I’ve experienced (as I didn’t try that hard or that long), and plus, knowing you, you’re going to land a deal and hit it out of the park with one hand tied behind your back. What’s your book going to be about/titled?
      It’s good to see you doing well (though maybe another conversation is in order to check up on that… ) We are so grateful for your friendship, too.

  11. Yeah, I’m not super motivated to engage the world of publishing either, so have been praying a lot first! 🙂

    The book is about Chinese culture and biblical peacemaking/relational reconciliation, exploring barriers to facing conflict that come up in a Chinese context as well as helpful practices for pursuing reconciliation and for creating a culture of peace in an organization/church/family. That’s the short of it…. I hope to have an academic book as well as a popular book. I’m currently writing the popular book while I wait to hear back on the book proposal.

    Other than my writing, which is up in the air regarding where it will get published eventually, much of the rest of life also continues to be up in the air, but my heart is more settled in the process than when we last talked since I’ve taken lots of time to grieve and process the various “no’s” of the past year. Also, there are some new opportunities that I am praying about which is good.

    1. Jordan, my brother! Yeah, when one gets to writing so as to purposely require people to “read between the lines” (if you’re familiar with that English phrase), many––even native speakers––are going to feel a little lost. Almost everyone will miss some of the details simply because they are not there, and guessing is difficult. I imagine that someday I’ll write more, somewhere. But in the right time. So good to hear from you!

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